Washing Machine Motor Placement

[andyr12345]

Hi, Andy. All the washing machines I have worked on have normally had their wash motors underneath the machine attached to the outer drum tub - but i have noticed on some throughout the years that some have had the wash motor at the top of the machine tub. This must make it a dream for changing carbon brushes or the motor itself, just pop the lid off the washing machine and bob's your uncle! 

so why did the manufacturers go back to / or switch to putting them under the drum nowadays? - Does the placement of the motor affect spin keeping the drum more stable when spinning or weight on shock absorbers is less on top of the drum if underneath , or maybe they put it on the top when there was not enough clearance under the machine - or was it just preference with some manufacturers to put the motor on top?

 

[Whitegoodshelp (Andy)]

Aye, Hotpoint had their motors on the top and to one side for years. I always thought it was a stupid place to put the motor, although as you say, it did make changing brushes a doddle. 

The best possible place for a motor is dead centre hanging at the bottom of the tub. That way, its weight and low position help to stabilise the outer drum. 

When it's on wash and spin and creating strong torque that wants to move the motor to one side the effect on the drum is minimised. 

The Hotpoint motors used to create instability and used to violently bash the side of the casing. Thrybalso fitted a door opening mechanism that fitted onto the motor which constantly broke when the motor hit the sides. 

Terrible idea. 

[andyr12345]

9 hours ago, Whitegoodshelp (Andy) said:

Aye, Hotpoint had their motors on the top and to one side for years. I always thought it was a stupid place to put the motor, although as you say, it did make changing brushes a doddle. 

The best possible place for a motor is dead centre hanging at the bottom of the tub. That way, its weight and low position help to stabilise the outer drum. 

When it's on wash and spin and creating strong torque that wants to move the motor to one side the effect on the drum is minimised. 

The Hotpoint motors used to create instability and used to violently bash the side of the casing. Thrybalso fitted a door opening mechanism that fitted onto the motor which constantly broke when the motor hit the sides. 

Terrible idea. 

ah right really , i didnt realise it was Hotpoint that done that _ I used to work on Hotpoints quite a bit years ago but the motor was always on the bottom on the ones i worked with . 

Di you ever think back in the day when washing machines used to have carbon brushes that they would end up brushless induction in the future? (well a lot of them anyway) - I wonder who were the first to start fitting inverter brushless motors first to their washing machines , do you reckon it was miele or bosch or AEG  or someone else?

[Whitegoodshelp (Andy)]

12 hours ago, andyr12345 said:

Di you ever think back in the day when washing machines used to have carbon brushes that they would end up brushless induction in the future? (well a lot of them anyway) - I wonder who were the first to start fitting inverter brushless motors first to their washing machines

Actually, brushless motors were first. The first washing machines I worked on were from the 50s and 60s and they all had induction motors. Eventually, motors with carbon brushes came in because of a drive for faster spin speeds and cheaper to manufacture. So they slowly took over.

But presumably they worked out how to make induction motors spin as fast, so they came back. Brushless motors were always much more reliable, but I believe more expensive to make. for me, they were always associated with the quality brands because they were quiet, and much more reliable.

[andyr12345]

10 hours ago, Whitegoodshelp (Andy) said:

Actually, brushless motors were first. The first washing machines I worked on were from the 50s and 60s and they all had induction motors. Eventually, motors with carbon brushes came in because of a drive for faster spin speeds and cheaper to manufacture. So they slowly took over.

But presumably they worked out how to make induction motors spin as fast, so they came back. Brushless motors were always much more reliable, but I believe more expensive to make. for me, they were always associated with the quality brands because they were quiet, and much more reliable.

ah right thanks Andy., interesting that they were induction motors at first