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Using machine without drum paddles
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to Sharon81's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
If there are holes underneath the paddles that are larger than the holes in the drum and especially if they are sharp then laundry will get forced through them and may tear it if the hole is large enough quite a chunk of laundry can be forced through (especially in spin) and can catch in the heating element or bracket. -
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Using machine without drum paddles
Sharon81 replied to Sharon81's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
I didn't even consider that!! Thank you, you've just saved me wrecking a lots of clothes! I'll just have to be patient. -
Using machine without drum paddles
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to Sharon81's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
No sorry, it would rip your clothes to shreds -
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I removed a paddle from my Hotpoint machine last week to get a piece of underwire out that got stuck under the drum. This was all fine but the retaining clips snapped on the paddle. There was loads of scum stuck under the paddle so I removed the other 2 to clean. All of them broke and I ordered replacements, but our post is really slow at the moment and washing is building up. Could I safely use the machine with the paddles missing if I put larger items in the machine which arent likely to be sucked through the small gaps from the paddles?
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I recently replaced the water drain motor which was leaking. After replacing this part, the leak stopped but now see that water is coming from the filter drain hose during any wash cycle. This is the hose located in the bottom left hand corner that comes out when you open the small white door. This door hides the round filter that unscrews when you want to check the drain area for objects too large to drain out normally. This never happened in the past and wonder why this has started immediately after I replaced the water drain motor. Any ideas why?
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How to mount tension-ring (AEG 74600)?
tumbler posted a topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
I'm struggling with how to mount the tension ring around the rubber washing machine seal of our AEG 74600. Does anyone have any suggestions, and is the spring part supposed to be at the bottom (under the rubber flap) as seen in the photo below? -
Hotpoint WML730 Tapping noise
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to Fraserh's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Noises like that are often caused by something metal being moved up and down repeatedly and tapping on something else when the drum is moving. It’s a case of unplugging it and moving and shaking and bouncing everything around to see what it is. -
Hotpoint WML730 Tapping noise
Fraserh replied to Fraserh's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Hi Andy, Thanks for your reply. I can reproduce it to a lesser degree when I move the drum back and forward, although it only happens some of the time. The feet all seem solid and the machine is sitting level. It was recently moved out of the room for decorating and then put back again and the sound has started since then. When moving the drum the sound seems like it's coming from around about the top left hand spring but as far as I can see it isn't tapping against anything. Thanks Fraser -
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Hotpoint WML730 Tapping noise
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to Fraserh's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Can you reproduce the tapping sound with the machine unplugged and by moving and shaking the cabinet and outer drum about? It sounds like metal tapping n metal which could come form the chassis or feet of the cabinet or from movement of the drum. -
Hi, I have a Hotpoint WML730 Aquarius washing machine that has recently started making an intermittent tapping sound. It only seems to do it at the start of the spin cycle. I have read the article on washing machine noises but still can't get the the source of the noise. It appears to be coming from the left hand side of the machine. I've attached a video which shows the issue. Any advice would be gratefully received Thanks washing machine noise.mov
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You're welcome
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AEG 74600 reassembly
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to tumbler's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Many thanks for sharing that. -
peteplaskett
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to pete plaskett's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Hello Pete. You can buy drain hose extension kits from spare suppliers. Try ransomspares (there's a link on this page) -
After posting I opened my eyes and realized the obvious: there's a metal frame at the top front of the washing machine (behind the control panel) which can be removed with 4 screws! This allowed me to attach the water valve first, then have enough room to (firmly but carefully) push the water distributor forward and attach it to the water valve. Pictures say more than words, so see below. As you can see, I also disconnected the cable from the front control panel (buttons, display etc.) which wasn't easy and could possibly risk damaging the cable/plug. In hindsight I could probably just leave the front panel dangling and still be able to attach the water valve/water distributor. You can see how it's now possible to attach the new parts, with the extra room in the front. Note that the front end of the water distributor is to be aligned with the holes in the metal frame (after the metal frame and front panel has been re-attached), with screws on the right hand side (view from front). When attaching the existing cable connectors to the water distributor I found they didn't fit! The two connectors were all wrong -the old water distributor didn't have any such connectors, but the mating connectors went directly on a couple of electronic circuit board (PCB) "slots". It turned out the white plastic "frames" on the new water distributor were easily removable by pulling them outwards with pliers! Then the old connectors would fit. See photo below: I suppose the water distributor might be used with other washing machine models using different connectors or later sales of this washing machine had revised cable designs or something. The good news is that now, with a new water distributor, water valve, door-switch and a good cleaning (I took the time to manually clean the inside of the water inlet dispenser-hose (filled with grime), the inside of the rubber door-seal (also filled with dirt) as well as the water outlet (front left bottom of the machine) to get rid of any sand and dirt. Finally I've given it a full 95 degree cycle with one of those cleaning packs from the local supermarket. I won't be surprised if our clothes get a lot cleaner after all this! By the way, can someone suggest what I do about all the rust spots below where the detergent drawer goes (1st photo in this posting)? I believe there are enamel repair kits, but based on prior experience they haven't really worked that well.
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question - had an Indesit 1400 WIXL 143 tht sounds more like a DC10 currently and are lucky we have a Zanussi Jetstream 1400 7KG in the garage to replace it. thing is the waste pipes are different and the Zanussi is a lot shorter - need to extend the zanussii's waste so need some advice. Do I cut the exsisting indesits pipe off and try and attach to the zanussi or is there a universal fitting I can get? Hope you can help
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Following certain error messages I've bought a couple of spare parts for our AEG 74600: the water distributor and the solenoid water valve. However I am having a hard time figuring out how to join the two parts together (there's not enough room). When de-attaching the old parts I opened up the water distributor (hoping I could fix it), and this also made it easy to de-attach and rejoin it to the water valve, but I can't imagine I'm supposed to disassemble it prior to mounting and joining the two parts. I've also tried to see if I can remove the rear "wall" in order to get enough room but there's no obvious way to do this. Any ideas? A service manual would be nice, but nothing pops up online. Water distributor (source: AEG shop) Water valve (source: AEG shop)
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Banging noise on fast spin
Stratatlast replied to Ojustaboo's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Hi Mb123 How did you get on with the repair? all sorted as per Ojustaboo's experience Regards - Earlier
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Thanks for that. I did think it was very strange to locate one there is it would be difficult to get enough power to circulate the hot air properly.
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Miele Wp2789 Washer Dryer Nightmare
jayj replied to tarragonrookie's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
And I also need to correct the guesswork in the latter part of this thread - at some point, after looking at another's user olde Miele, it appeared to be the case that the heater fan in his model was located in the bottom of the washer/dryer. Mistake - in the case of the WT2780 the heater fan is definitely on the top of the machine, though a duct connects this fan to something at the bottom of the machine, but not sure what.... -
Hi Andy, thanks for getting back. Believe the RoF function may have been invented by Miele themselves (they have a patent out on it at least). In short, a small amount of water enters the drum and then the machine sloshes it around before spinning the drum at 1600 clockwise, and then after that doing same anti-clockwise. (AEG/Zanussi at least have a similar thing, but much less vigorous than the Miele). No technician, but I assume that what it does is pick up any dried bits of e.g. towel fluff from the inner drum and outer drum and also maybe the water circulation system and pump the bits out into the drain? As you say, this is not likely to also clean other bits of the hot air system, e.g. the fan, fan duct or heating element. Some facts are notable however. Miele themselves (in the shape of an unpleasant Miele fridge guy I had a few years back, and now the Service Centre) clearly take the view that if RoF is not carried out after every dry, the machine will be damaged and fail. So, either: 1) lint build up in the drum is what they fear will kill the machine (unlikely), or 2) the cycle does something else maintenance-wise (not very likely, given the mechanics and water path involved) or else more cynically, 3) they know that the design of the machine is flawed, that debris build up will happen in the element/fan area and there is no built-in function to clean the debris - but by putting the onus on the customer to do RoF they can blame the customer for what is effectively an un-related design flaw (and charge out-of warranty customers for work arising from the flaw). Miele are very, very definitely claiming that failure to use RoF is 'related to preventing future breakdown', so even though I suspect it is a load of old tosh, there is definitely an argument for moving the RoF instruction to the front of the manual. (If I was paranoid I might go as far as saying that Miele prefer to leave the instruction mid-manual so that the percentage of customers likely to note and use it would be lower, so the proportion of customers being able to be blamed would be proportionally higher...) I know you may consider it a bit dramatic to describe this as a 'design flaw' but I have had washer-dryers since they were first invented, including cheapo Indesit and slightly less cheap Zanussi metal drum models which involved condenser drying, but had no 'RoF' function at all. Both lasted 10 years, with no failure - whereas Miele users are reporting this type of failure happening around 2+ years (obviously dependent on usage). Where's the explanation for that? (wacky thought - could it be to do with the fact that Miele offer a 'Steam' function, which might mean that unlike non-steam dryers, their kit potentially allows a water source into the dryer system?) From all my research spent on this subject (see other long thread), I think your previous analysis of the issue is likely to be along the right lines - namely that somehow, someway steam/water containing detergent/lint manages to make its way back up the heating channels, and so eventually build up around the element box, heater fan, and heater duct at the back of the machine. Hence the engineer coming armed with all of that to replace. The $64,000 question is... why does it happen in the Miele (and for all I know other modern machines) but not in older, less technologically sophisticated machines? Also, what is a bit of a mystery is how warm air being forced out through the vents around the porthole and into the drum somehow at the same time allows the steam/water/detergent/lint combination to still travel back in the opposite direction? Or maybe the gunge combination only gets lifted into the warm air system when the machine is not drying? (I have to say I find it quite astounding that even just an anonymous present or ex-Miele engineer never shows up in these forums to give us an explanation about these kind of things!! As I said, I did try to ask my good Miele guy, but he was so loyal he avoided giving any hard facts). Again, no engineer myself, but from what I saw of the interior of the machine (and having seen other posts) it looks as though the heater air duct at the back of the machine (which comes after the fan, which comes after the element box, which is connected to the vents in the porthole area of the drum) goes to something at the bottom of the machine, under the drum. Never sure what a 'suds container' is, but would that be likely connected to the heater air duct? Otherwise not even sure why there is a duct at the back of the machine to do with the hot air bit - my Indesit just had the bit 'old-style woman's hair dryer bit' lying horizontally under the lid of the machine, and presumably relied on air entering the machine from the open underside area. I don't think we'll get to unravel the Mystery of Miele Drying System Problems until someone, somwhere explains what that rear heater duct is connected to - because until we do, we don't know where the exact source of the gunge causing the failure of the dryer system actually is! (and unfortunately it may be that the models built around the introduction of the WT2780 differ in their drying system somewhat from earlier models like the WT945 - but not sure about that. Otherwise I would have gladly slipped a tenner to someone to strip down and photograph a vintage Miele washer-dryer and put us all out of our misery!!!)
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Beko WIY72545 HELP!
Whitegoodshelp (Andy) replied to Jenny's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Hello Jenny. When you see two minutes in it gets stuck do you mean that it fills up with water and then just stops and goes completely silent? Or does it not actually fill up with water? -
Hello Jayj. I haven't heard of the Rinse Out Fluff instruction. However, I cannot imagine how it could be related to preventing the buildup of lime scale and lint inside the dryer's heating chamber and around the heater. They cannot flush water there. To me the Rinse Out Fluff instruction was only referred to in response to debris getting onto the laundry after a drying cycle. My assumption is such a rinse out fluff cycle would just literally do a quick rinse and try to flush any lint or other deposits out of the drum to stop them depositing on laundry. The heating chamber at the top for the dryer heater and fan that gets clogged up is unlikely to have a Rinse Out Fluff instruction. If by any chance it did you should be able to see a hose from the water valves leading to that chamber. I cannot see how they would be able to do that and adequately flush it out. Water would get into the fan etc. So if I'm correct then the two issues are separate issues. And it would explain why the instruction is not as you describe prominent at all because it is not related to preventing future breakdown.
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I would imagine it would be hard to get rid of motor oil from a washing machine as it doesn't attach to the water. So the oil may continually keep marking laundry.
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Well, finally managed to get the dryer part working again - though possibly helped by the fact I still have a couple of years of a 10-year warranty to go. (I've posted the history leading up to getting this repair elsewhere in this forum - First of all, I have to say that the Miele warranty repair admin seemed OK - in other words when I phoned them I got through pretty quickly, they found my warranty details and then made an appointment about 10 days away, then did text me the day before as a reminder. So, that part works. The phone was answered by a nice enough young kid - but he was clearly trained in how to push blame for any washer-dryer failure promptly back to the customer: After explaining symptoms (no fault code, but no hot air for dry/steam, horrible white gunge being put onto washing in drum during every other wash) he asked me "and are you aware of the Rinse Out Fluff feature?" Could have been my imagination, but the way it tripped off his tongue meant that he was well used to asking that question and getting a confused 'No?' from the owner (after all, the RoF feature is only mentioned in the middle of the lengthy manual, which probably half the customer base will never bother to read). "Yes", I said tartly, knowing what was going to be coming next. "Right... and have you remembered to use it AFTER EVERY DRYING CYCLE?!" - Again, the rising tone in his voice suggested that many of the poor s*ds who answered "Yes" to the first question might have made the mistake of answering "No" to this second question. I could have wasted a bit of time by reminding him that the language in the Manual regarding the RoF feature was not exactly apocalyptic: "Run the Rinse out fluff programme before the machine is used again so that fluff cannot be deposited on the next load (e.g. fluff from dark garments being deposited on lighter coloured items) or cause a blockage." And this just located on p.45 in the manual. (As we now know, for many Miele Washer/Dryer owners, the RoF feature should really be in red ink, with words along the lines of "Please remember that if you don't use the RoF function immediately after every single use of the drying function, your £2000 machine is likely to break down just after the 2-year warranty expires and cost you upwards of £500 to repair. Your call") After all the hours wasted researching this fault, I decided to be polite but firm "Yes, every time. And I am well aware that this issue is due to a design fault common in Miele Washer-Driers, whereby soap powder congeals along the hot air system and cannot be cleaned out by the end-user, thus leading to issues with the safety thermostat and other parts." What was interesting was that as soon I said this, he did not faff around going off to 'ask his supervisor' or similar, but immediately booked the call. It is possible that he and other customer-facing colleagues know the issue with the washer-dryers, and so when confronted with someone who clearly knows it too, they give up trying to blind customers with science. Anyhow, the repair guy duly arrived and fortunately he was not a dud. He was excellent, very efficient, actually able to work on the machine at the same time as discussing it, and very loyal to the company (probably too loyal - he avoided giving too much away about these dryer issues when asked direct questions). I had been ready for an engineer who simply walked in, reset the thermostat and walked out - but as soon as he stepped through the door he said 'This will take about 2 hours', so I knew that either he was going to do a full dryer system clean out or parts replacement. Turned out to be the latter, i.e. he brought a top element box and fan, and a long plastic oblong duct thing, which I believe connects the heater to the suds container below? Pleased to say that when he took the various panels off, the machine itself inside looked very clean - which of course it should do after we have religiously bought and used all the various over-priced Miele de-lousers, and given the fact that it has probably only had the equivalent of 3-4 years use, if that. The key question - how the supposedly intelligent electronics could not detect that the heater was no longer heating and display an error code - was one he couldn't answer, or maybe preferred not to (I assume the real answer is along the lines of "yeah, I know people pay £2k for these machines, but the design guys don't think it worth putting in another temperature sensor that would pick up on the fact that no hot air is coming out during a drying cycle ..." As someone who generally respects German design, I was still intrigued as to whether this dryer failure issue was just a design flaw in my machine series and older, so asked if the drying system was the same in the new means. "Yes, fortunately!" he answered enthusiastically. This did perplex me a little - I can only assume that most repair guys take the view "sure, the system our machines use gets gunged up and conks even if you do use the RoF feature, but at the end of the day all we need to do is replace these two parts and it is rendered as good as new - and of course Miele customers can afford to pay, otherwise they would not be buying machines that are 2-3 times the price of the competition" A warning to anyone just about to purchase a new Miele washer/dryer I guess. Some might say that I am being a little harsh, but I know exactly how well cared for this machine has been, and how we have always used the RoF feature after every dry - so heaven help a harassed mum/dad with 4 kids and 12 wash/dries a week and no time to read the manual or use all the various Miele machine cleaning products. I'd have more respect for Miele if they took two simple steps - #1, move the Rinse Out Fluff instruction to page 1 of the manual or maybe #2 simply build a Rinse Out Fluff cycle into every drying cycle (you open the door, take the dried clothes out, slam the door, it RoFs and then turns off). While we are at it, maybe #3 - spend a Euro or two on putting another over-heat sensor near the heating element that gets gunged up, so that at least the machine gives a reliable error code - I never got the infamous '55' error displayed, which for all I know meant that the fan stopped working but the element was left getting hotter than a nuclear reaction inside my white box. BTW, out of interest, I downloaded the Manual for their newest, priciest washer-dryer, to see if it had been updated in anway - nope, same wishy-washy text re Rinse Out Fluff, buried deep in the centre. Fingers crossed that when ours goes again, it is in the week before the expiry of the warranty... Thanks to the various people here who contributed info that enabled me to talk knowledgeably to Service Centre and so secure a decent repair first time around. J For google: Miele washer dryer WT2780 WT 2780 drying problems issues cold air no 55 error message debris gunge white grey on clothes Waschtrockner lave-linge sechant
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Miele Wp2789 Washer Dryer Nightmare
jayj replied to tarragonrookie's topic in UK Washing Machine Repair Questions
Well, finally got a warranty repair on this (and it might be that the dryer system for the WT2780 is different from older models such as the WT945). Shall post details under a new title, so easier to find for anyone else pulling their hair out.
